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8ed Feedback / Updates

PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:06 am
by elrodogg
So here are a couple of first thoughts / things which will need to be updated and general comments on units and their functioning in 8th:

1- the bound burning gaze and the bound unseen lurker items, both of which do not exist anymore. burning gaze should just be changed to a bound cast of the base metal or fire spells. unless i am mistaken, i didn't see any movement spells in the brb.

2- blunderbuss - i was worried about these at first, but after using them i've realized they are fine. if they shoot then they are in charge range from anything in the game.

3- Warmachine survivability - since earthshakers, death rockets and eruption guns use the monster rules, they are the only ones to get attacked and shot at. meaning, that T5 and 3 wounds doesn't go that far. i am not sure what the solution is, but it's something to note.

4- high priest - needs to get an initiative bump or it's a wasted choice - there are too many initiative based attacks that don't allow a save. ini 1 doesn't cut it in the days of roll initiative or die with no saves of any type allowed.

Re: 8ed Feedback / Updates

PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:54 pm
by Larro
I agree. I never liked the whole "animate war machine" thing anyways. I think these should just move to regular War Machine rules, i.e. T7 3 wounds.

As for the Initiative, I agree. Why not just put them in line with the Dwarf Heroes and Lords?

- Larry

Re: 8ed Feedback / Updates

PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:31 am
by mattbird
re: initiative, it's because the High Priests are turning to stone. If a certain spell will l]kill them because of this, so be it. I am sure there are a million other balance issues that 8th will have.

Re: 8ed Feedback / Updates

PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:42 am
by Guy In Suit
Do you get a ward save against purple sun?

Or is it just, "Your dead, go grab another beer!"

Re: 8ed Feedback / Updates

PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:48 am
by WickerNipple
Well, spelled right it would be "You're dead, go grab another beer!" But otherwise, yes, it's that - no saves, thanks for playing.

Re: 8ed Feedback / Updates

PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:53 am
by elrodogg
Andrew - it's 100%
"Your dead, go grab another beer!"


Matt - While I love fluff and fully agree that it should be written into the rules and I also agree that 8th ed will have a million and one balance issues, why not eliminate one?

Re: 8ed Feedback / Updates

PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:08 am
by mattbird
because a wizard who is turning to stone should have an initiative of 1! If a Purple Sun eats him, hey! that's the awesome epic-ness of 8th edition in action! Now go suck on a unit of 200 stubborn slaves.

When they change the Slann's initiative to something besides a 1, then maybe you guys will have a point. Otherwise, have fun sucking into giant purple vortexes.

Re: 8ed Feedback / Updates

PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:35 pm
by allanmcnab
Wow, it's all so clear now, Mat Birdoff has secretly been working for GW for all these years. He's the one responsible for all those stupid GW rulings where the answers are insulting both to the players, and a coherent ruleset. What a Dick :lol:

Re: 8ed Feedback / Updates

PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 8:45 am
by elrodogg
Additional things that need an update:

Unit types - everyhting is pretty self-explanatory with the exception of bullcentaurs, who whould be cavalry. Centigors from the Beastmen list are listed as a cavalry unit, so bullcentaurs should be the same.