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Re: New Construct Weapon, please try with Inferno Golems

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:47 am
by mattbird
sorry, this upgrade expansion is Kevin's baby, so I cannot comment. He does not check in daily...

Re: New Construct Weapon, please try with Inferno Golems

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:30 pm
by KevinC
Garrett,

Give them a try and report back, there has been no decision yet regarding them, though if they are included they will probably be simplified a bit more, I like your suggestion.

Thanks,

Kevin out

Re: New Construct Weapon, please try with Inferno Golems

PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:27 am
by Garrett
Okay, +2S on the golems is a bit insane. I basically allocated 50 points in my list-dropped some rabble-to make them +2S and added +1 to their armor. They were very very good. Probably a bit too nasty, to be perfectly honest, I think S6 might be better for them as the upgrade. It makes it a little less of a no-brainer, to be honest.

They definitely could use the reasonably priced upgrades, though, they changed the unit from something that was annoying to my opponent to something he specifically had to deal with. I played two games tonight. The first, against Dan's gnobbos, it didn't really matter one way or another, but that game was painful in the dice for both of us. My second game, against lizards, the golems became very attractive as the stegadon killer. Had I not made a stupid idiot mistake with my general, I probably would've won the game, but I'm still getting used to a large flying general that actually does something, so *eh*. I think my suggestion on upgrades could work if they're priced reasonably and responsibly.

Re: New Construct Weapon, please try with Inferno Golems

PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:59 am
by Hashuts Scion
I'm in the camp of liking the upgrades. Making it ONE close combat weapon upgrade is easier to explain to opponents. Giving them 3+ armor makes them more unique as does dropping the cost to 60. I really like the one that makes the unit have a command ability (sb, musician).

Re: New Construct Weapon, please try with Inferno Golems

PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:01 am
by Larro
These guys should have been 60 pts. with a 3+ Save from the beginning. Treekin are 65, with a 4+/5+ and Move Through Woods. This is very easily worth 5 extra pts.

The upgrades are neat in that they allow conversion opportunities, but I do think maybe making them a little less overtly powerful, i.e. toning them down a bit, and lowering their costs a bit as well, would be a better route for a fan-made book, and would require way less individual bookkeeping.

- Larry

Re: New Construct Weapon, please try with Inferno Golems

PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:03 pm
by Garrett
Well, like I said, the +2 strength might be better as +1 instead. The 3+ armor save is a must-buy, really. Two of my golems are actually already built, and one of them's got a chaingun sorta thing on it, but I don't think anyone's going to bitch too much if they have a CCW upgrade instead.