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Overlord and Slavemaster comments here

PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 11:55 am
by mattbird
Please post all comments here

Re: Overlord and Slavemaster comments here

PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 4:50 pm
by Poxous
Why take em? Under the current system you need all your characters as spell casters to have a shot at the magic ever working.

How about a lord making the Obsidian Guard core.

Heroes in units makes them stubborn?

Something to make these guys useful.

Re: Overlord and Slavemaster comments here

PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 1:26 pm
by Matt
I had the same thought. I can't see a reason to take these guys. T5 hero is nice, but without the hitting power, you may be just as well off not taking them at all, and using obsidian guard.

Maybe all an Obsidian Guard unit a core choice for each hero you take.

-Matt

Re: Overlord and Slavemaster comments here

PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 7:10 pm
by Groznit Goregut
I disagree. The Overlord is the only chance to take the Great Taurus. I like large flyers and the only combat option and large flyer is the Overlord. I plan on taking one.

One thing that I don't understand, though, is why the slavemaster doesn't get chaos armor?

Re: Overlord and Slavemaster comments here

PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 1:30 pm
by big al
Yeah he does. And I second what Todd said.

Re: Overlord and Slavemaster comments here

PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:32 pm
by Renufus
Is there any reason a Slavemaster has BS4 but an Overlord only has 3?

Re: Overlord and Slavemaster comments here

PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:18 pm
by Bleyden
They should both have BS 5, means you can take the Hellfire gun and hit stuff.

I think these guys need a BIG beef-up. They will not be taken in any lists due to the fact that you can spam magic for not much more point-wise. I think there should be a boost in magic item allowances (50-75 and 100-150). This means that you can take a lot more stuff to make your overlord a killing machine and it makes the more expensive items better. With 150 points you can give an Overlord the Axe of Zhraznak and still have points for some more lethalness. Also it means you can give anti-magic items (Helmet, Hexacon, Firestones) to Heroes and still make them hardhitting. You can give a BSB the Armour of Gazrakh AND an Amulet of Hashut and make him a hating indestructible stunty.

I think beefing up magic item allowances is definitely the way to go, otherwise the VERY COOL magic weapon section is pretty useless (with a max of 1 mag.weapon in a 2000 point DS/HP force).

These characters are cool, they just need to be cooler to contest with the HP/DS build. I mean you could have a build of NO magic and still have great defence with 75/150 point allowances.

Overlord
Axe of Zhrazak
Firestone
Gauntlets
Shield

Thats a guy that has MR2, 6+Ward, 3+AS, and 4S7 attacks that ASF. Thats pretty mean and not possible with 100 points.

Slavemaster
BSB
Armour of Ghazrak
Amulet of Hashut

1+ AS, 5+ Ward that hates everyone. Not possible with 50 points.

Slavemaster
Firestone
Hexacon
Hexacon

MR2, 2 Hexacons, ALOT of magic defense if 75 points were available (and hexacons acted like dispell scrolls.

Re: Overlord and Slavemaster comments here

PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:36 pm
by Larro
I like the idea of 150/75 pt. magic item allowance for these HTH Hero/Lord options. Give them a neat edge over their magical buddies.

- Larry

Re: Overlord and Slavemaster comments here

PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:05 pm
by method
im NOT on board giving them a higher magic item allowance, but that might be the ONLY way the heroes are ever taken.. (overlord/taurus combo still works)

Re: Overlord and Slavemaster comments here

PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:03 am
by Zhorn
I do not think that a higher magic item allowance is in any way acceptable by the tournament going community. The lord IS an option because of a) the taurus b) LD 10. The slavemaster is a somewhat weaker choice but let's face it: a lot of armies have subpar hero choices and combat oriented heroes are a scarce breed anyways (when you exclude the single BSB).

A better way (IMO) than to expand the magic item allowance to further the acceptance of CD heroes for this list might be the introducion of cheap(er) magic items. That way you'll run a lot less into acceptance problems and the list is low on 15-30 points magic items anyways. In addition, i feel that most armours are overcosted by at least 10 points (due to the fact that CD characters come with chaos armour anyways). Another bunch of anti-magic items (more DD, MR, etc) could also make a lord+hero approach more workable.

I do not think every choice in a book has to be equal - but every choice should be interesting and "workable".