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Bull Centaur comments here

PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 12:04 pm
by mattbird
Please post all comments here

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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 11:34 pm
by Stormcrow
There was no descriptive paragraph for Bull Centaurs, but the Hobgoblin page was entered twice. The only reason I bring that up is because I believe that it is important to have a declarative statement on whether Bull Centaurs count as cavalry in regards to their weapon use.

Re: Bull Centaur comments here

PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 11:36 pm
by mattbird
oops. :oops:

They count as infantry.

Re: Bull Centaur comments here

PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 12:20 am
by big al
Bull centaurs should have a chaos armor upgrade option, for like +4 points, that way when they use their GWs they have a 4+ armor, and with shields they get a 2+
I think there should be a fast cav centaur option for core, like the BoC centaurs, they way you don't get the boring min core options all the time. You can make the CD warriors a minimum 1+ unit.

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 12:34 am
by method
but the BC hit alot harder then the beastmen centaurs...

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 12:58 am
by MantisZero
I agree with Al yet again... it makes them Hvy Cav but you do have to pay for it. So with a GW do they get +2S (infantry) or +1S (mounted)?

Re: Bull Centaur comments here

PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 1:07 am
by big al
They should get a trample ability too, just 1 autohit str 4 per BC that charges, it doesn't even need a minimum distance to go to get the "bull (centaur) charge"

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 8:59 am
by mauleed
The rules need to be clear that they use their weapons as if they aren't mounted.

Their save should definitely be on par with normal heavy cav (2+). Perhaps give them a 4+ base (chaos armor) and a shield, which can be combined with a hand weapon to go to 2+ in close combat.

I do however think they should be allowed to take a magic banner.

A trample attack would be too good for the points. 2 S6 attacks from a 21 point model seems just fine.

Re: Bull Centaur comments here

PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 9:49 am
by CrazyChaosLord
I agree with Ed in most aspects. They should be able to take a banner.

They should have the Centaur rules fro Centigor-

Count as infantry for the purposes of weapon use, but get the bonus for charging if armed with Lances or Spears, and may be armed with additional hand weapons.

Do not get bonuses for being mounted, or are affected by spells that affect cavalry or cavalry mounts.

Then give them "Iron Hide" 6+ Scaly Skin, Chaos Armor takes it to a 3+ and shield to a 2+.

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 2:26 pm
by Poxous
Brain is right on all points. Making them a mid to high 20points heavy cav seems best. 1 trample A and 1 weapon attack is fine. Although I'd like to see something that brings out the fluff and makes them feel elite besides being cav in a dwarf army.

Cruelty - BCs reroll missed attacks in each round of combat.

Guardians of Hashut - BSs can always reroll failed break tests and any CD unit within 6" of the BCs can reroll theirs as well.