It's time to Restore Truthiness to America!

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Re: It's time to Restore Truthiness to America!

Postby spacewolfjack » Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:45 pm

I'll tell you what. I'll pay for the green energy if you'll pay for the wars you seem to like so much.

I find it amazing that a New Yorker would be upset with a president who decided to go rain justice down on some heads and establish democracies with the long-term intent of stopping things like the Twin Towers or the 93 WTC bombing. Maybe it's just me, but if some jihadists had knocked down the Sunshine Skyway at rush hour and killed a few hundred, or thousand, people, I'd want them to pay. And I'd want the gov't to put a plan in place to prevent it from happening again. Have you forgotten about that guy in Times Square last year who would've killed a lot of people, and only didn't because of his incompetence? Tell me you think we shouldn't be hammering those extremist bastards with hellfire from the sky. We play too nice over there. We need to put the boot on the neck and make them see why its wrong.

Oh, wait. You can't because it's too hard to find a good paying job because the Obama-Ried-Pelosi boogeymen performed some kind of time travel mojo and ruined the economy before they were in office. Obviously it has nothing to do with your bosses and the rest of the American people selling out the country by lacking foresight and buying and selling cheap shit produced everywhere but the US instead of tightening the belt and investing at home.*

Go back and look at the numbers and see when the downhill slide started. It was after the Dems took Congress in Jan 2007 and started their fights with the Bush Administration. Here is a fun report via the misery index. Have some fun with that. As for the shortsightedness - well, when building American means you can't export it, due to high labor costs and punitive corporate tax rates (one of the highest in the world), the long-term view says build it where labor is cheaper. And for the record, we sell lots of American made product as well. And we employ lots of Americans also - about 10,000 nationwide. But a lot of our stuff is made in China. And let's try again to bring reality into your world - corporations are in it to make money. Stockholders don't go for the 'tighten the belt' argument - they fire the CEO and replace them with some other greedy cocksucker. We need to write the rules so that those rich bastards at the top will WANT to invest and spend their money more freely. Right now its estimated that there are a few trillion dollars being hoarded waiting for next fiscal year, when hopefully the economic picture will be more clear. The company I work for has $200 million in cash reserves right now, just sitting, and waiting.

And, while I am not trying to get personal here, it's a little bit convenient that your personal victimhood at the hands of the O-R-M boogey-entity coincides with years of personal instability due to mental health problems that you yourself have said caused you to lose jobs. If you want to improve your lot, maybe try taking some college courses (conveniently subsidized by Liberal tax dollars) and learning something that people need? I suppose it's much easier to just cast a rage-ballot in November and point fingers. But I can tell you, no ballot ever got me a job. However, a ballot did help get my education subsidized, and I'm still working.

My dad got me this job. He's known the guys in the local office for years, and worked for them before he went out on their own. I took it because I needed it, and I intend to find a better one once the economy rolls along. As for college - no time, no money. I have 4 kids. I have a wife, and a little bit of a life (when I'm not arguing on this forum.) No, thanks. What would I study that would help right away? Nothing. I'm a salesman, but its tough to find decent sales jobs when no one's buying much of anything (see above cash-hoarding companies.) I can do fine on my own if given the chance. Yeah, I've been unstable, but I think the meds are finally working. Now I just need the opportunity.

Yes: cheap energy made the US reliant on cheap energy, while other countries were learning how to be productive without it. That's a big part of the reason the US is screwed as energy costs go up. And energy costs are going up no matter what the democrats or republicans do. When you can't stick a shovel in the sand to get a gusher anymore, exploration and extraction costs necessarily go up. The harder it is to get it out, the more expensive it gets. Not rocket science.

It made us the largest economy in the world - almost 3 times larger than Japan, per the 2009 numbers. That's GDP, which means we still make something here. And there are plenty of cheaper energy sources than forcing the green thing down the throats of the US. I don't disagree that we need to move away from a coal and oil based energy supply. I do disagree that it needs to be done now. We need to develop the technology, and find a more reliable source than wind or solar, like say seawater. Hydrogen tech should be our biggest focus, IMO. But we should get there gradually, and not by imposing some sort of punitive tax.
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Re: It's time to Restore Truthiness to America!

Postby subversive » Thu Oct 07, 2010 1:27 am

spacewolfjack wrote:
I'll tell you what. I'll pay for the green energy if you'll pay for the wars you seem to like so much.

I find it amazing that a New Yorker would be upset with a president who decided to go rain justice down on some heads and establish democracies with the long-term intent of stopping things like the Twin Towers or the 93 WTC bombing. ... Tell me you think we shouldn't be hammering those extremist bastards with hellfire from the sky.

I was 100% in favor of going to Afghanistan, to the consternation of some of my female friends. Flat feet kept me from having to consider whether I'd go myself. Afghanistan could have been won quickly and we could have been done over there years ago had Bush not gone for Iraq too. One country attacked us (ok, technically the country only provided material support and safe harbor for the group that actually did the attacking, but that's splitting hairs). The other country did not. If you look at the actual reports of the people that were over there, it was very clear that Hussein was just a blowhard, which everyone in the know was screaming at the top of their lungs. But no, the Bush administration had "credible evidence" of WMDs. Oh, but wait... there were no WMDs. Suddenly it was about deposing a dictator and bringing democracy to the area. Deposing dictators is not our business. Democracy doesn't work in that area because it isn't demanded (and earned) by the people. Hell, democracy doesn't work here where it supposedly IS demanded by the people.

A sizable portion of the chaos and hatred towards the US in the middle east is a direct result of our historical policies towards the region. The US has been dicking the middle east around basically since oil was discovered there. You know what? If someone dicked the US around like that, I'd probably want to blow some shit in their country up too. I'm not making excuses, I'm just pointing out that there are consequences to policies that make enemies.

At this point, WAY more lives have been lost as a result of these ongoing wars than had been in the WTC. WAY more money has been spent on nation building that is guaranteed to fail than ever would have been lost by just ignoring the region. Or, better still, Nidal's strategy of sending them a neverending supply of porn.

spacewolfjack wrote:
Oh, wait. You can't because it's too hard to find a good paying job because the Obama-Ried-Pelosi boogeymen performed some kind of time travel mojo and ruined the economy before they were in office. Obviously it has nothing to do with your bosses and the rest of the American people selling out the country by lacking foresight and buying and selling cheap shit produced everywhere but the US instead of tightening the belt and investing at home.*

Go back and look at the numbers and see when the downhill slide started. It was after the Dems took Congress in Jan 2007 and started their fights with the Bush Administration. Here is a fun report via the misery index. Have some fun with that. As for the shortsightedness - well, when building American means you can't export it, due to high labor costs and punitive corporate tax rates (one of the highest in the world), the long-term view says build it where labor is cheaper. And for the record, we sell lots of American made product as well. And we employ lots of Americans also - about 10,000 nationwide. But a lot of our stuff is made in China. And let's try again to bring reality into your world - corporations are in it to make money. Stockholders don't go for the 'tighten the belt' argument - they fire the CEO and replace them with some other greedy cocksucker. We need to write the rules so that those rich bastards at the top will WANT to invest and spend their money more freely. Right now its estimated that there are a few trillion dollars being hoarded waiting for next fiscal year, when hopefully the economic picture will be more clear. The company I work for has $200 million in cash reserves right now, just sitting, and waiting.

Dave, there was never an uphill to slide from. That was all bullshit based on the Fed's manipulation of interest rates. Rates were kept just above zero for the entirety of the bush administration because there was never a proper recovery from the initial recession that landed in his lap (yes, I said it: the recession of 2000 was not the fault of GWB, it was a cyclical correction that needed to happen. However, the administration's mismanagement of money and policy made it worse than it needed to be, and prevented a true recovery from actually happening). Don't confuse the fact that you had a job during that period with an actual recovery. The way the Fed works is it pumps money into the economy at low interest rates to stimulate private sector growth. Once growth takes hold, it raises rates because a healthy economy is capable of sustaining growth while rates are higher. That never actually happened. You were employed on borrowed dimes, and the economy never actually took hold to enable the growth needed to pay back those dimes and keep you employed.

There's only so long that situation can sustain itself. As it happens, it was about 5 years. That's when growth in the housing industry (which was the primary driver of the economy during that period) started to plateau because even an idiot could see that a house worth $100K 6 years ago was not worth $500K then. Everyone had leveraged all the cash they could out of their properties and spent it. And when that spending spree stopped, the economy started to tank again. Then people started defaulting on their loans. The rest is history. Pelosi and Reid coming in at that point is the same kind of co-incidence that happened when GWB inherited a correction. However, this time around, an extra 6 years of fiscal mismanagement made the problem that much worse.

Point the finger all you like. This is not a Democratic created situation. Yes, the Dems bear some responsibility, but the captain of the ship and all the officers were all Republicans. Some might say RINOs with the way they spent during those years, but the fact is that it was nearly the whole damn party, with only a few holdouts like Ron Paul sounding any kind of alarm bells. Add to the litany of reasons I think Iraq was a bad idea the fact that it was not a war we could afford.

With regard to stockholders firing CEOs, I'm blaming them as much as the CEOs. The whole problem with the picture is that making money should not be the only goal. That's an American value. The problem is that unlike last century, money is one of the only products still made in America, and the only thing you can do with money is spend it. Everybody thought that you could make money from money, but as it turns out, you can't run an entire economy on that forever. Whod'a thunk it?

spacewolfjack wrote:My dad got me this job. He's known the guys in the local office for years, and worked for them before he went out on their own. I took it because I needed it, and I intend to find a better one once the economy rolls along. As for college - no time, no money. I have 4 kids. I have a wife, and a little bit of a life (when I'm not arguing on this forum.) No, thanks. What would I study that would help right away? Nothing. I'm a salesman, but its tough to find decent sales jobs when no one's buying much of anything (see above cash-hoarding companies.) I can do fine on my own if given the chance. Yeah, I've been unstable, but I think the meds are finally working. Now I just need the opportunity.

It's not about instant gratification, it's about working for the future so the next time a downturn comes (they happen pretty regularly), you're not stuck out in the cold. Study business. Taking business classes makes you more valuable to your employers and opens up avenues that weren't there before. My dad was an auto body guy. He fixed cars. He got a degree in business, and eventually that led him to running his own shop, teaching body shop management for Mercedes Benz of North America, and later running another successful body shop. As much as it sometimes pains me to say it, you're obviously not stupid, just misguided. If you can stay stable, you should do well.

It made us the largest economy in the world - almost 3 times larger than Japan, per the 2009 numbers. That's GDP, which means we still make something here. And there are plenty of cheaper energy sources than forcing the green thing down the throats of the US. I don't disagree that we need to move away from a coal and oil based energy supply. I do disagree that it needs to be done now. We need to develop the technology, and find a more reliable source than wind or solar, like say seawater. Hydrogen tech should be our biggest focus, IMO. But we should get there gradually, and not by imposing some sort of punitive tax.

Hydrogen is bullshit. It takes as much energy to fill a hydrogen fuel cell as it gives back. http://slidingconstant.net/entry/91
Seawater is viable, and is being studied.
Solar and wind are not end-all energy sources for the reasons you pointed out (sometimes it's cloudy, sometimes it's calm), but they're abundant, and once the infrastructure is in place, you just collect and save. You wouldn't scoff at a money tree that only bloomed 6 months out of the year would you?
These technologies need a jumpstart for three reasons:
1. Climate change. We can't afford to keep pumping carbon into the atmosphere. I know you disagree, but whatever. Don't make me take back that smart comment from before by replying.
2. Oil dependence needs to stop NOW. It's a matter of national security. If we spent the money we spent on Iraq and Afghanistan instead on clean, renewable energy starting 10 years ago, we could write those areas off as irrelevant now.
3. The country (countries, including my new home of Canadialand) can't afford to wait for another oil price spike. When our entire economy relies on the transportation of goods and people from point A to point B, steady energy needs to be built into the system. $4+ a gallon gas nearly shut down the country a few years ago if you recall. My cousin had to give up his business because he couldn't' afford to put gas in his truck. Now he's one of your neighbors in Florida, living with his in-laws. The price of EVERYTHING is based on our cheap access to energy, and the whole system needs to be rebalanced to account for the fact that energy just isn't that cheap anymore. Rather than waiting for another shock to the system, better to increase the cost, get people used to the new price, and use the difference to invest in new technology to get a leg up. If you know you need to buy a snow blower, do you buy it in the summer when the price is normal, or do you wait for the first snowstorm when every store in town marks them up 10%, and the guy next door has already got his kid out making money clearing everyone on the block's driveway? Other countries are already ahead of us on this. Waiting on it is not going to get us where we need to be to remain competitive. That's the consumer mindset: just wait till Japan or Germany makes it and we'll buy theirs. Well guess what? We don't have any money left to buy theirs if we wait that long.
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Re: It's time to Restore Truthiness to America!

Postby nomrakram » Fri Oct 08, 2010 11:17 am

I found where spacejackoff has been getting all its info, and basically it has just been copying and pasting it here verbatim.
here's the sites:
www.spacewolfjacksucksfoxnewsbigd.com
and
www.youcanbeanidiot2.com/foxnews

Now it all makes sense - thanks for your original ideas that have not been spoon fed to you by O'reilly and the other morans on the extreme side of insanity

hey jackie i would really appreciate a nice long hard post to follow this one. :boom:
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Re: It's time to Restore Truthiness to America!

Postby VectorAWX3 » Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:42 pm

TheDave, don't ever, ever bring my name up. (don't applogize to me for bringing it up, don't ask me why, don't IM me, just pretend I don't exist and never have) Thanks! :)

Andy, I said it before and I'll say it again, TARP and the AIG bailout were stupid ideas. That said, you'll all (those of you paying taxes, not TheDave) are getting ALL your AIG money back with some NICE interest very shortly. AIG is finalizeng the terms of the payback with the feds at the moment, and will be repaying 100% of what it borrowed along with giving the gov't a hefty profit. Sadly, the same won't be true of GM (which should have been left to fail).

That's all. Carry on with your ideological nonsense.
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Re: It's time to Restore Truthiness to America!

Postby jer732 » Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:55 pm

So I don't really have time to read this and figure out if thedave is actually back, so if someone could just tell me that would be great. Then I may take the time to come up with some antagonistic comments

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Re: It's time to Restore Truthiness to America!

Postby spacewolfjack » Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:10 pm

Now I remember why I didn't feel all that sympathetic when the Towers fell.
Now I remember why most of us in the South hate New Yorkers.
Now I remember why we antagonize the snowbirds when they come down every year.
Now I remember why I don't like this forum.

What I don't remember is why I came back. I must've been whacked out on my drugs.

Hey Nidal - no apology forthcoming. You are the asshole I thought you were. Here's to hoping you catch an STD or 10. And that you get laid off or fired for posting at work.
Hey Nom - go fuck yourself. Or Chris Matthews and the rest of the faggot MSNBC liberal crew. Fox News is truth. And National Review rules.
Hey Ronen - a little denial goes a long way. Keep living that way.
Hey Sub - thanks for trying. Glad you live where you can't vote in the election.

Yes, THE DAVE has been back. And now I am leaving, on MY terms.

FUCK NEW YORK! FUCK THE WARMONGERS!

I'll see you all in Hell. I run the place, after all. :twisted:

($10 says this won't last beyond the weekend, after some Admin pulls it down. So I am taking a screenshot and making a Facebook page for it.)
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Re: It's time to Restore Truthiness to America!

Postby jer732 » Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:18 pm

So is thedave a real person? Did we figure that out yet?

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Re: It's time to Restore Truthiness to America!

Postby VectorAWX3 » Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:29 pm

He's not a real person. He's a worthless piece of shit. But he'll keep his promise and he won't be back. I'm SURE of it.
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Re: It's time to Restore Truthiness to America!

Postby WickerNipple » Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:17 pm

:lol: I only delete things when your religion of peace tells you to physically threaten our users.

This can all stay. :lol:
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Re: It's time to Restore Truthiness to America!

Postby elrodogg » Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:08 am

It's like that moment in the movies when you don't know if the heroes have vanquished the evildoers or they have another insidious plot and are just pretending to be defeated.
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