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Postby Guy In Suit » Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:02 pm

Larro wrote: At the end of the day, I just don't think Hobgobbo Archers become a viable unit at 20+ min. size.

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Only if they re 4 points each. ;)

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Re: Hobgoblin Warrior and Wolf Rider comments here

Postby Larro » Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:04 pm

Well that's fine, but you've made them a clearly inferior choice which still will never be fielded. If that was your intention, bravo.

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Re: Hobgoblin Warrior and Wolf Rider comments here

Postby Guy In Suit » Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:11 pm

Why do you say that? If you weren't planning on giving the unit a standard, I see 20 bows as a perfectly viable unit. They get in the way AND blow the shit out of any large target or units on hills. For only 84 points its a decent bargain for players that can capitalize on those strengths. I'm sure Nidal would take 5 units of them. :lol:
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Re: Hobgoblin Warrior and Wolf Rider comments here

Postby Border Reiver » Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:04 pm

Other than night and common goblins no other archer unit in the game is compelled to go 20+ for a min size. Given their stats, they are more akin to human archers or arrer boyz, and in my opinion should follow the conventional unit size for such units (10+)
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Re: Hobgoblin Warrior and Wolf Rider comments here

Postby decker_cky » Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:51 pm

At 4 pts each, they become potentially very good since they have the range to actually threaten flying monsters.
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Re: Hobgoblin Warrior and Wolf Rider comments here

Postby Matt » Wed Jul 01, 2009 2:48 am

decker_cky wrote:At 4 pts each, they become potentially very good since they have the range to actually threaten flying monsters.


And at 5pts or 6pts they don't have the range?

Hmm, if only I could get 4-8 of the cheapest bolt throwers in the game, then I could take down that dragon... Oh, that's right, I can.


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Re: Hobgoblin Warrior and Wolf Rider comments here

Postby Guy In Suit » Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:22 am

Matt wrote:Hmm, if only I could get 4-8 of the cheapest bolt throwers in the game, then I could take down that dragon... Oh, that's right, I can.


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Bolt throwers just don't garner the style points the same way taking down a 400+ point creature with s3 Bowfire does tho... :mrgreen:

Also, we don't want to make players feel obligated to default half there special choices to bolt throwers, repetitive and boooorinnnggg..
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Re: Hobgoblin Warrior and Wolf Rider comments here

Postby Larro » Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:52 am

Who is advocating for 4-pt bowmen? I've been saying 5-pt bowmen, but 4 pt. LA/Shield hobgobbos in units of 20, and I think most of us are agreeing. Hell, Bows weren't even 4 pts. in the RH days.

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Re: Hobgoblin Warrior and Wolf Rider comments here

Postby Guy In Suit » Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:43 pm

I think at this point the Hobs should just loose animosity. Its an O&G specific rule, and seems odd especially combines with the new images and fluff courtesy of Kev and Matt.
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Re: Hobgoblin Warrior and Wolf Rider comments here

Postby Larro » Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:34 pm

Well if you do that, then rock on, and make them their normal 5 pts like Brett Men at Arms. But they won't.

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